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Below is some pitbull History. It is not intended to encourage dog fighting. It is only to inform what happend before the felony laws on dog fighting were established..

Pitbull History
 
This is pitbull history. Do not let anything on this page encourage you to fight dogs or you may have to leave your family and go to prison. It is not intended to promote dogfighting but to tell how it was back when it was not a felony. This is Tudor's Dibo one of the most famous fighting dogs of his era. He produced Jeff and Spike and many  top fighting dogs of the 1950's and 60's. Earl Tudor was a farmer and A bootlegger from Hobart, Oklahoma. His full name was Earl D. Tudor his wife's name was Flora but he called her Flo. He was the son to Nathaniel and Hattie (long) Tudor who came from Madison county ,Kentucky.  Nathanial was the son to William and Mary (Wheeler),  They stayed out in Madison co. kentucky.  Earl had a uncle named Daniel that also lived at  Hobart,Oklahoma Daniel was Married and had five children. Earl was born May 14, 1893. He died in January of 1977. If you want to look up his work history his social security number was 446-50-8877 . He was not always honest in his dogfighting. He knew all the tricks of the trade. Scotty Nelson said  Earl Tudor stole things and said he committed various crimes and he could be right. I am from that county and lived 10 miles from Earls home. I don't recall reading any of that in the Democrat Chief the Hobart newspaper. I checked various records for his criminal doings and found none. So if he did these things ,he didn't get arrested for them. He was pretty slick at getting out of trouble. You will have to remember that lawyers and judges bought whiskey from him also. I do remember him being arrested for creating a matched fight between two men at Hobart, Oklahoma. He was hit in the head with a sap by the local lawmen and had to be taken to Hobart General Hospital and sewed up. He and everyone else involved except Floyd Merriman  pleaded Guilty and was fined 25 dollars. Floyd Merriman pleaded innocent and was fined 100 dollars. Earl wasn't really my kind of people but I couldn't help but like him. I always had mixed feelings about him. Like I Tell everyone. I like a person no matter what they've done or who they are ,as long as they like me and Earl seem to like me. Earl had a very welcoming ,friendly smile when he walked toward you with that smile ,if he liked you. Yet I've seen him with a glare that would scare many a tough dogman. Once when my wife and I were over there. He told us Flo and him had never had an argument. When we left Earls house. My wife said Flo was scared of him or something or they would have had an argument for sure.  Who Knows? Jimmy Jobe told me he went by Earls house and Earl ran him off and wouldn't even talk to him. When I saw Earl he ask me who that guy with the oiled down hair was that came to his house. I told him I didn't care for Jobe either.

Tudor's two Demons
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Do not let anything on this page make you fight dogs.

Tudor's Dibo
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Dibo was born in 1952.

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Tudor's Jeff
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This is Don Maloney's Toot. Some people have him down as a champion. There was all kinds of magic going on at Don Maloney Kennels. I only know of Toot winning two fights. Plus the first half of Toot's life Don had him registered out of Jeff and through a miracle only God could do. The second half of his life Spike became his father and some way got Toot registered a second time to confirm that.

Floyd and Blind Billy

 
This is the famous Floyd boudreaux. He has bred some of the best dogs in the past and they were as good as any dog-mans dogs. He told me a while back he hadn't fought any dogs for over 20 years. I believe him. He was arrested for various charges including dogfighting. He and his son were found innocent of all these charges when he went to court. They marched right in his place took his dogs out and put them to sleep after arresting him. I have A problem with them destroying evidence. These dogs could have cleared him. If they were not marked up bad. I don't believe they were. I read an article where he was being watched with a spy satellite. What happened to our constitutional rights. He is a Cajun not an Arab. This countries politicians and certain groups of citizens make me sick. The very freedoms our country was established under are in grave danger. We are slipping deeper and deeper into the very things people immigrated  here to get away from. Mayfield told stories about Floyd that could not be substantiated. These stories were told all around to the pitbull dog world. A friend told me a while back that democrats were trying to get pitbulls banned. This is half true. Two republicans and a democratic got tougher cockfighting and dogfighting laws passed on the federal level. I read that George Bush had signed that new Federal law into affect the first part of May,2007. There is a republican from Moore, Oklahoma who is trying to get pitbull dogs banned in Oklahoma. Midwest city, Oklahoma , a town which has Tinker air-force base and is basically a republican town with no democrats in office on the state level. They have passed a bill banning all bulldogs. There are also many states and towns with democrats who try to pass bills. This is not a political issue it is a bipartisan issue. They are trying to keep people safe. This is caused by idiots using them for watch dogs and letting them get loose. Plus getting Pit-Bulls so 'people aggressive' they hurt members of their own family including babies. If you think I'm crazy look up the stats on my web I have a link to info.  I look for pitbulls to be banned someday because of stupidity. You can ban a dog but you can't ban an idiot. Personally I think an alternative to banning is to inspect the premises by the state to see if your yard is safe. Plus people who own them should have to attend a class learning the dos and don'ts of owning a pitbull and be certified. I hate for it to come to that but that in my opinion is the only way to establish a code for safety with pitbulls and it beats banning. Everyone with pitbulls thinks I'm crazy for saying this but it is the better of two evils. Another thing that would cure the problem is that you couldn't own a pitbull that weighs over 20 pounds. This would hurt me because I have no dogs under 20 pounds except the Patterdale Terriers. Like I always say that is about the only thing the government has left me with is an opinion. So I use it while I can before they take that away too.

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Floyd Boudreaux

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Here is the famous Jim Williams from Mountain View, Oklahoma. Which was about 7 miles from my home town. Jim was born James Williams on February 11, 1895 and died in February 1975. Jim owned and bred many great dogs. He had a famous 9 time winner called Redman in the old days. I am telling this story because it is true and I can prove it. I'm not out trying to hurt anyone but am telling the truth about them. Jim was a deputy Sheriff and was not an honest man in my opinion. He cheated me on a dog deal when I was a kid. Bill Decordova called me and ask if I bought a spotted male pup from Jim Williams. I told him yes I did. He said, Will he set quail. Then he explained how he had a Dibo bred bitch that got bred to a birddog. Jim came over and got them and sold them all over the country. I ended up being one of the taken. Frank Carver and my brother are alive today and they can testify to what I'm saying. They went with me to Jim's home. I jumped Jim about it. He said he was sorry and let me have a red six month old bitch that ended up being worthless. So I gained nothing from my trip. You might say he started my education in the dog world at an early age. I'm not saying he did this as a regular practice because I also had many good transaction with him.  Earl Tudor told me he gave Jim some top bred dogs free. I didn't have any connection with Earl at the time. I was just a kid. Yet he gave me two top bred dogs off his yard free. Jim was quiet the salesman. He told me he sent a man a picture of a dog and priced it to him for 100 dollars. The man didn't like the dogs looks and ask he if had anymore dogs. Jim took a different picture of the same dog at a different angle and priced it to him for 200 dollars and sent the new picture to the man and told him it was a different dog. The man liked him in that new photo and sent him the 200 dollars. Earl Tudor always said Jim would have made an excellent car salesman.

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This is all History from the 1970's. Don't let it influence you to fight dogs unless you like jail. This is the famous Cecil Collins. Cecil fought many a dog and had lots of winners. He was an understudy of George Saddler where he learned to be a top conditioner. Cecil was born October 21,1922 and died October 1990. The records show him to be from Boyle, Mississippi right outside Cleveland, Mississippi. Cecil got screaming mad when they gave away the trophie to Homer Sams, Don Maloney's Buddy. They gave it away before Danny Burton and I fought our Match. Don was a little Jealous because we were young and he was Mr. bigshot. Cecil Collins made it be heard what he thought about this crap and gave pitdog a fancy collar to give me for the gamest dog of show , that my 'Alvin The Dog' fought. Danny should have gotten one too. His dog stayed in holt, didn't turn and died right there. Maloney didn't even charge the people for our fight. He told some of them since we were Greenhorns it wouldn't last long. Little did he know.  Cecil Collins came up to me after the fight and said that is the sorriest bunch of people I've ever seen. He said he loved that Alvin dog and he would like a yard full like him. He advised me never to fight at one of their shows again. From then on  when Danny Burton or myself fought people paid attention. If anyone out there has a better picture of Cecil please send it.

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This is a flash from the past 'The famous James Crenshaw', one of the greatest pitdog men of his era. Winner of many matches and one of the top breeders from the past. This is strictly history he is no longer involved in dogfighting.

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This is the famous 'Crenshaw's or Garretts Jeep' one of the greatest dogs of all times. Many a pedigree has his famous offsprings on them.

I'll tell you a story about a dog of mine that went missing when I was about 35 years old . This dog ended up at young dishonest black guys house in Oklahoma city.  We will call the man Joe. I know the dog was stolen but can't say for sure Joe stole him. I got word he was in Joes back yard.  This was in the roughest high crime area in Oklahoma in a area where only black people lived. I would have my wife drive me down the alley  and look in his back yard to see if the dog was there at three in the morning. This was and area where no white man had better be after dark. It was really dangerous. Lots of crime, drugs and gangbangers. I did this about four times through a nine month period. Finally on the ninth month I shined a light in the back yard and sure enough there was the dog on a chain. I jumped over the four foot chain link fence and got the dog and brought him home. I moved him somewhere else in case a story was fabricated that I stole the dog. Which I could prove different. I felt it was better not to have to prove it. Anyway, everything worked out. My wife still bitches at me about having her drive me on this mission. For you white guys that like to bad mouth black guys. This story wasn't printed for that purpose. I have had white men cheat me more than black men in the dog game. This story just happend to come to a happy ending.  I have a black friend that I use to work with named Larry Cawthorn that will tell you. I'm one of the best  friends he has. I bet most of you people don't know this. When Kennedy was just elected president. He was ask. How do you like our Honor Guard? Kennedy ask why aren't there any black men in the Honor Guard? Within months the people in charge put a black man in that Honor Guard. Now Here in 2009 we have a black President. So America has come a long way from the early days of slavery and the bad treatment of its black people.  

The Famous Chinaman dog
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Above is Chinaman. My Abe is tight bred on this Chinaman dog. Chinaman was one of the greatest of all times. He sired Ch. Eightball,Ch. Cotton, Ch Chinabuck, Ch.Chinagirl, Ch. Stormy, Ch.Missy. Ch.Chinarose, Ch. Ninja. Ch. Chock Plus he had thre son that went over three hours. Not very many dogs reach that height of fame. Tom Tu, Abe's sire is off Chinaman. There is something about Tom Tu's appearance that reminds me of Carver's Pistol. I know he is down off that just by his appearance. It was rumored ro me that Tom Tu has sired several winners including a four time winner with lots of mouth. It was also rumored to me that before I got Abe. He had sired several winners including a four time winner with lots of mouth. I'm proud I own my Abe dog and wouldn't trade him for any dog anyone has and am glad he isn't off some of that other Chinaman stuff. Just to let people know. I got Abe for me. He has become my friend and he isn't going to be studed out. It is just to much trouble. I've never seen so many dogs sold off Chinaman throughout the world. That type kennel has over populated the pitbull in the USA causing nothing but trouble along with many other pitbull kennels. It is A free world and A person can usually do what he or she pleases but I believe in this case it creates more lawbreakers and more accidents. Years ago I went down to Midland, Odessa, Texas area. A man told me about a boy down there way that had a Amstaff about a year old. Supposed he didn't know much about fighting dogs but wanted to match his dog. One of the local pitbull men made a deal to match into him. The amstaff whipped the boy's pitbull. So like most pitbull men he approached an acquaintance of his that had a two time pit winner to help him get the boy's money. The boy whipped the two time winner for them to. Finally on the third try they finally found a dog that was a great pitdog  (that did have a hard time of it) but did whip the boy's Amstaff . That doesn't happen often.  Amstaffs can't hang with pitbulls on gameness but one did in this instance. Years ago Earl Tudor told me that an Airedale in one of the southern states whipped three good pitbulls in a row and they finally found a pitbull that whipped him on the fourth try. Bobby Smith brought over a dog for me to work and Match. This dog belong to him and Steve Davis and Don Maloney. He was a big catch weight dog and a two time winner called Undertaker. The opportunity arose for me to match him at a half wolf, half chow. I couldn't get a hold of the owners for permission and it looked like easy money. When we arrived there were five of us. I can remember Mike Kelley, Bill Carr and myself but don't recall who else went with us. The opponent was owned by a black man in a heavy populated black area. There were about 50 black people waiting there on us when we got there. The pit was a hog pen about 20 by 20 made from one by twelves upright in the vertical position. There were railroad ties at each corner. One of the one by twelves was missing. There was a little 6 or 7 year old black boy setting on top of one of the railroad ties about 6 foot in the air. The little fellow told me you will be sorry you came. We got the money up and made the rules. They would not scratch to win but did agree if either dog dies or jumps the pit he loses. I got in the pit with Undertaker. Here came an older black man around the corner of the house. The dog was a giant about 100 to 125 pounds at least. He had little slits for eyes and they were yellow. He looked like the devil himself right in the face. The little black boy setting up on the railroad tie yelled out 'Major' tear his head off and put it on the porch. Major was growling try to get lose from his handler just like Undertaker was with me. We pitted the dogs. That half wolf picked up undertaker in the center if the back lifted him off the ground Shook him in mid air threw him to the ground grabbed Undertakers muzzle and began chewing pushing into the ground with the muzzle as he bit. Undertaker began to scream. The little black boy said again tear his head off Major and lay it on the porch. I began to think that Major was going to do just that. He let go of his muzzle and got him by the back of the neck and begin shaking Undertaker biting him deep in the neck pushing down as he shook him. His muzzle was split open and part of his tongue gone. I know this is unbelievable but grass was pushing up through the big gap in the bottom part of the muzzle and sticking up through the big gap in the top part of the muzzle. It looked like you could stick a half inch pipe through the top part of the muzzle all the way down through the bottom part. Then all of a sudden the half wolf got hot and set down and just looked at the pitbull. Old undertaker started looking at the hole where a one by twelve was missing in the fence. He was thinking about calling it a day. I could see the look in his eye. I walked over and set down in front of the hole in the fence so he wouldn't go out. Undertaker laid there for about 5 minutes with Major setting on his rump with his upper half over the top of Undertaker looking down at him. Suddenly undertaker grabbed him by a leg and Shook him. That Major picked him up by the back again. He then grabbed that muzzle and did his same number on Undertaker making him scream bloody murder. You could have heard him scream for a mile. Then Major stopped and they ended up just like before Undertaker laying there looking around saying to himself what have they got me into. Major setting on his butt looking down at Undertaker. They just stayed in that position for about 15 minutes and never moved. I told the man, I don't think either one of them wants to fight anymore lets just call it a draw. I couldn't believe it but he agreed. I grabbed undertaker. He grabbed Major. We headed home much smarter than before. That little black boy had it figured out Major was fixing to tear his head off and lay it on the porch. We were lucky to get out of there without having to pay up. Who said pitbulls were tough. A boy from Tulsa heard about this and called and ask me if I thought his dog could whip him. I told him if he cared anything about his pitbull he better leave him in the pen. I sent Undertaker back to his owners and said I didn't want him on my place. I do not know what happened to him. I would bet Maloney sold him to some unknowing pitdog man and he quit his next time out. It is kind of like that Slasher dog.  He was a good Dog.  Don Maloney registered him wrong. He was really out of a Bat and Ribbon female from Bill Decodorvas off Charley Adkisson's yard and a Half English bull that Larry Warren got of the dogpound. That half English bulldog whipped a son to Eli Jr. that Bean had him. Plus he whipped several good pitbulls. Years ago my brother had a half pitbull and a half birddog for a watchdog. He owned a Tavern about a half mile from his house. He put that dog at the back door to keep people from breaking in. He had a good bred little pitbull bitch that got loose and went to that tavern and got bred to that half birddog. He took the pups down and gave them to Jim Williams which was a mistake. Jim Williams put Papers on them and sold them all over. A man by the name of Holliday got one of those female pups and when she got grown he bred her to a Loposay dog I sold him. Everyone of those pups were good. Danny Burton ended up with one called Gorilla that was a four time winner if I'm not mistaken. Just think that Gorilla was one eighth birddog. Charley Adkisson rolled a dog at him when he was young. Gorilla did real good but we couldn't make ourselves buy him when we found out where he came from and who his dam was.

Pitbulls are not suited for all homes. They must be kept secure and never  let them roam.

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This is the famous Ch. Plumbers Alligators. I fought the longest fight against alligator an hour and 12 minutes but still couldn't whip him. I had Harry Browns Joker, he gave Alligator a lot of trouble but came up short. 

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This is Bobby D. Smith born October 13,1929. He died February 27,1997.Bobby is pictured with  the famous corvino dog  'Boots or sometimes called Boots the Blacksmith'.  Bobby told me Bert Sorrells had owned him and found out Bobby had acquired him. Bobby said Bert contacted him and said someone had stolen him from Bert . Bobby said Bert didn't prove to him that this was the truth, so he wouldn't give him up. Bobby had acquired him from the late Gary Chance with an honest transaction on Bobby's part.  I'm not saying Boots was stolen or  was not Stolen but I can swear Bobby didn't steal him.

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This is one of The famous Bert Sorrells. Bert had many famous fighting dogs from the past. He is no longer involved in the fighting of pitbulls. Once upon A time years ago I Randy Fox went to the dog fights up by Elk City, Oklahoma. I rode down with some young fellows about 15 years younger than I was. While we were at the fights they drink lots of beer and Smoked a little wacky tobacco. On our way home we stopped about half way to get some gas. Some of the boys saw a goat around back and to the side of where we were filling up with gas. There were six of us and all were in the service station getting rid of there beer that had run through there bodies. I hadn't drink much so I set in the car. Two of the fellows came running toward the car with that goat. They were going to put it in the back seat with me. I said, like heck you are. There will not be room for the other two guys, if you put it in here and I shoved it back out at them. They put it back where they got it. Jerry Johnston was driving and he was very high. He would go at a high rate of speed over hills on the  wrong side of the road. Finally having all I could take reached over his shoulder and took the keys. The car was an older car that the steering didn't lock when the key was off. He coasted over to the side of the road. He was very angry. I told him I'd give the keys back if he'd drive right after setting there about thirty minutes he agreed.  He was mad so he drove 30 miles an hour on highway Two Forty. This drew attention from a highway patrolman. He pulled us over and called for two more cars. They took us out and took a couple of cases of beer out of the floorboard. They through all the empties in the ditch . They took us over by a tree one at a time and questioned us. They were all so drunk. There was no preparing a story as we were pulling over. So it was up to each person to answer the questions to please the lawmen. When it came my turn ,they said where have you been. I said here and there. They said, what did you do at the here and there place. I said this and that. So they told me to go set down. Mike Kelley was one of the guys with me and he had blood on his clothes from handling a dog. He told them we were at the chicken fights which was legal back then. That probably saved the rest of us. They arrested Jerry Johnston for drunk driving and let me drive his car home. They let the rest of us go. We had a black friend that was with us. He had a married girlfriend. That night he was to meet her. They found him the next morning with his head cut off. He was a likable dog-man but was playing where he shouldn't. Who said dog-fighters are normal.

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Lester Hughes AKA Mountain man one of the all time great dogmen from the past with many a famous dog including his famous six time winner 'Homer'.

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The famous John Fonseca on the left Al Brown of Modesto ,California of Tacoma Jack fame in the Middle and Howard Heinzel on the right. Howard was born april 30 in 1914 and died in october 28,1989 in Laveen,Maricopa Arizona area. He came from Chicago, Illinois to settle in Arizona. Howard Married Virginia May Clark  January 29,1941.  Anyone from Al Browns or John Fonsesca's area please send some pictures of their dogs and a little more info on them.

Carver's Ironhead
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