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Famous pitbull History from the early days. Don't let anything you read or see on this web encourage you to fight dogs or you may have to leave your family and go to jail.

Famous old dogman and his dog

 
Earl Tudor and Johnny from the early days. Look how Earl cheated on his scratch. He lifts him up and as he set him down it gave him forward movement which is equal to a push.

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As A young boy we drove by Earl Tudors house every Sunday morning on our way to church. I'm not trying to say I'm any better than anyone else in this old world in these stories I tell. I Randy Fox have done my share of bad in my life but am going to tell these stories as I remember them. Earl wasn't a dogfighter to me back then. He was the local bootlegger. As I got older and listened to local gossip, I learned he was also a known dogfighter. I got acquainted with him in my late teens. My uncle Skeet Mccasland Hauled Whiskey for him when he was young. My dad who my mother ran off when I was two years old hauled booze for Tudor a time or two also. Earl kept a bad dog just for protecting his stash. Under that bad dog's house was a container full of prize liquor. Just lift it up and get what you need. Revenuers would search his place but when walking by that mean dog they jumped back out of the way and they didn't have any idea what was hid under his doghouse. They came in Earls house once and tore the boards all around the windows on the west wall looking for liquor that might be hid in the walls. Earl said he had to buy the material to fix it hisself. I went to the dogfights on one occasion and Earl was crying, saying I don't know how to die. He was recovering after a stroke. I told my mother about that. She said she was going to go by and invite him to church. I'm sure she did. A few years earlier Don Maloney a follower of Tudor's was fighting a dog with Jimmy Jobe. Jobe made some smart remark about Maloneys dog. Maloney hit him in the face and made him bleed. Earl Tudor was drinking. He jumped up thinking it was a big fight. He was screaming where are they at Don. Red martin approached poor old drunk Earl trying to settle him down. Earl was around 80 then. Earls eyes were big as saucers and he couldn't see a foot in front of his face. He had lost lots of his vision. He jabbed and hit Red Martin a couple of times in the face. Red said Earl it is me and Earl recognized his voice and settled A little. Earl would rather fight than eat. Jobe told maloney lets fight dogs and not each other. Like the curr dog Jobe was in my opinion. I didn't care for that pothead Jobe. I'm sorry if you liked him, I didn't. I had a friend that went with me to the dogfights one day and brought his pretty little blond wife. They set down at Pitside and she ended up setting by Earl Tudor. Earl was drunk. Earl kept looking down between her legs. All of a sudden he put his hands between her legs and rubbed her there. She jumped sideways getting away from him and traded places with her husband. I saw this happen. It was a little funny and a little weird all at the same time. We talked about it on the way home. My friend wasn't really mad but was a little weirded out about it. I didn't know what to say to him to undue what had happened and I never did mentioned it again to him, nor did he to me. He never went to another dogfight as far as I know. I compare Bootlegging to drug dealing today. When they made it legal to have liquor here in Oklahoma it ruined Earls finances. People didn't have to buy from a bootlegger so not much money was generated anymore. Earls old house went unpainted and all the improvements stopped. I feel if they would legalize drugs the same thing would happen to drug dealers but who knows. There are lots of stories about Earl Tudor down where he lived. People say he was shot several times. They say his brother in law even shot him once. Maurice told the story he took two whores down there for Earl to play with and by doing this he got to breed Black Widow to Dibo. Mayfield has convinced his following that Tudor dogs were the Core of all the best. Earl had no standard inbred bloodline. His dogs came from everywhere. So the core comes from everywhere. Earl stole dogs. He was involved in the theft of Dibo's sister. He ended up with a dog that was never paid for that was taken from a man near Wilson, Oklahoma. Armitage speaks about this in his book. Through the years many a stolen dog ended up at his place. He changed papers. He did all the unethical things that dogmen do. Earl told me once when you get a good dog put your papers on him and you will become famous. Well no matter how dishonest he got them, even if he changed the papers on them. He still acquired some of the best and bred them to the best. Plus he checked them hard. Earl was a little mean and crazy when he wanted to be. He was still one of the best at the dog breeding and dogfight game. He didn't think he had the perfect dogs. The way I know this is as follows. He was always acquiring dogs from peopled to cross with his Stuff. He acquired dogs from anyone that had good dogs and would let him get one of them. He ask me several times to let him breed to Alvin and I refused. If I had let him. The pups would have been good and every outlaw known to the doggame would have been crawling on their belly stealing my dogs. Alvin produced some real good dogs but I kept it low key. I still liked Earl because he treated me right. There will be lots of dogmen that do not like me telling this truth about him. There is only one God. Mayfield or Earl Tudor are not to be worshiped. They were simply humans that stood out in the pit game. Please don't fight any dogs unless you like jail. This is all history. Who said pitbull men were normal.

Tudor's Blackjack.
 
Earl Tudor's Blackjack one of the all time greats from the early days.

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This is History from the past. Neither of these men are connected with fighting dogs today. On the left is Ronnie Anderson, in the middle is Red Baron on the right is Tommy Sherwood sometimes called Oklahoma Shortie. I'm sure you remember Ronnie Anderson and his famous Tonka dog. Both these men have had many  great dogs. I like both of them and think they are great dogmen.

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This is all history Gene Matson is not involved in dogfighting this day and time. Gene Matson and the famous Fred-T dog. He is a good dogman from the past. This man helped Bill Carr out when he was down and about to die. That tells me he was not only a good dogman but also a good man.

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This is history and Bill Carr is no longer involved in dogfighting. This is the famous Bill Carr from the past. Bill has bred some great pitdogs. Bill along with his Carr's Maud off Uselton's Solomon and Uselton's Texas Star.

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Once upon a time in the 70's there were some fights taking place at Stroud, Oklahoma. A man with the name Logue was putting on the fights. Tommy Williams , Charlie Adkisson and myself went to the fights. Tommy was in the pit fighting his dog when a Sheriff's car pulled up and out popped two lawmen. I'm not sure if they were Stroud or county lawmen. They arrested Tommy and put him in their car. The referee and the other man with the dog in the pit ran. Mr. Logue approached the lawmen and told them to get off his place and he had a gun. The lawmen tried to get him to settle down. He said you don't drive on my place and start loading people and not show me any warrant. Mr. Logue Got Tommy by the arm and said get out of their car. Tommy did this. He told the lawmen to get in the car and head north and if he sees any head lights coming back he will shoot them out. They did what he said. The show was set up for three matches if I remember correctly and tommy's was the first one. They went ahead and finished that match and fought the rest of the fights with no trouble. I wanted to leave but had ridden with Charlie there and couldn't leave. I was as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof. An Oklahoma state bureau of investigator by the name of Ledbetter came by my home a couple of weeks after this incident. Someone had talked to them about this and had given them names of who was there. They picked some of the people at random that were there and questioned them. I got on the list. They wanted to know why the sheriff's didn't come back. They were not interested in the dogfight at that time. I could not help them as I said. I do not know how he got away with it. I do not know if it was all show or real. I told him it looked real to me and he seemed mad. I know if I'd did something like that there would have been lawmen coming from everywhere like red ants. They would have swarmed me and everyone else and carried us away. The rumor was he was one tough man and no one to mess with. I'm convinced that is true.

Dont let this encourage you to fightdogs. You may not know this but a dog will fight good when you test him at home. Yet when you take him somewhere to fight. He may or may not spook. Strange areas strange noises and strange things happen sometimes to a dog mentally in new surroundings. This sometime affect some dogs. I will not tell anyone how I worked a dog in the early days but will tell you a little about what I did while working a dog on the treadmill to stop spooking. Years ago when my dogs were being prepared to fight and they were working the treadmill. I would play music on a radio right beside the treadmill. It would be loud hardrock music. I would take two pans and jump around the dogs making quick movement beating the pans together. This was done the entire time they worked the treadmill. I will not tell you how long they spent on the treadmill. This noise and quick movement made the dog get use to any sounds and quick movement around the pit by the handler or people jumping around along the pitwall. This was real important to me. I have seen many a fighting dog distracted by handlers and by spectators that spooked their dog because of the loud nose and quick movement around the pit. This distraction usually happens in the first minute of the fight or when a dog starts getting tired. Danny Burton had a dog that spooked in the first minute of a match and it cost him a fight in the old days. I think he would have won that fight if his dog hadn't spooked. Just a little trivia from the past. Dont fight dogs unless you like jail. 

Cruel things done by dog fighters. Below

Don't do the things I am telling you in this story. You will certainly stand a chance of prison. A lady wrote me talking about Michial Vick the famous football player. She talked about him being charged with dogfighting. She talked about various things she had heard about that he had done and various charges he was facing. Michial Vick like many other famous athletes got caught up in the evil of money. It could happen to anyone that goes through that lifestyle. They have never had any money and all of a sudden they are rich. That creates a new personality that leads many into criminal activity. She ask me if it was a practice to kill lots of pitbulls in the dogfight game. The truth of the matter is with me and many other former dogfighters from the past. I calculate I could have killed five hundred pitbulls form the 1960's through the 80's. I'm not bragging about this. I'm still trying to figure how I was so cruel. I probably killed from ten to twenty dogs a year for twenty five years. Do the math. I'm not sure of the true count but there were lots of dogs that got put down. When a dog was around two years old he was rolled as it is called. That is a practice fight where he will be put to the test and see how tough and game he is. Plus the dog is judged on his fighting ability and biting power. If he doesn't pass that test he is killed. Yet some dogmen sold the sorry dogs and told people they were good dogs just to make a dollar. Dogs I raised and many dogs were brought to me by want-to-be dogmen to test also. I admit in the past which was years ago when I fought dogs. I shot dogs, I electrocuted them by attaching a clip lead to an ear and a clip lead on the flank. Then plugged this lead into a 110 volt outlet. I use to calculate it takes 20 to 30 seconds for them to die but after thinking about it a little. It really never took over 20 seconds for them to die. Most were killed by shooting. Some later on in the eighties were killed with a lethal shot. I have seen people hang them at dogfights. The reason for the lethal injection method is that the dog makes no noise just like with the electrical shock. Shooting noises with a gun attract attention in populated areas. That is why shocking and injections are used in that type area. I use to throw the dead dogs in a pond where the fish and turtles could eat them when I lived at Drummond,Oklahoma. My wife who was strictly against me dogfighting or hurting any dog. She had bad dreams about me doing this. She dreamed she was in a glass bottom boat out on the water and dogs were hitting and clawing at the bottom of the boat trying to get in. My wife and I are opposites. I've always put women on a pedestal. I never cared much for women at the dogfights and am glad my wife was strictly against dogfighting or I wouldn't have been able to kick the habit. I loved the idea of her tending to the maternal side of things. I question all our values here in the USA. It is important to know dogfighting today is bad because it is unlawful. I heard that the Bible says to obey the law of the land. I question lawmen searching out dogfighters. When Philadelphia alone had over 750 gun related killings of humans in the years 2007 as of august. So it will be many more by January. I guess law enforcement feels dogs are more important then people for them to spend more time hunting dogfighters than crimes against humans. I still would rather have been a pitbull than a deer or a horse. I have shot deer and tracked there blood trails for long distances with them bellowing out noises of pain. Let me put a saddle on you and ride you and hit you to make you run. Plus many a horse is put down at the tracks. How do you think they killed a hurt horse before the lethal shot was invented. Plus they make glue and dog food out of the horses. Cattle and horses were killed at kill plants for dogfood and food with a sledgehammer for years. When I was a boy. We tied down calves and cut their testicles out. If Peta would have seen that they would have passed out. Yet that is done at most cattle ranches today. If I were born a pitbull at least I would have had a 50-50 chance for survival. I always ask, is there a good way to die?  Is death worst than life?  No one can say. The dead do not talk.  I'm not proud of these cruel things I've done to the dogs. Each time I killed a dog it did bother me. Each time a dog of mine got hurt in a fight it did bother me. Yet the truth of the matter is. Very seldom did a dog in a true pitdog fight get seriously injured. The dogs don't growl and whine like the films on the television show you. That sound is dubbed to make the dogfights on the news seem more dramatic. The death rate of pitbulls dieing in a fight is probably about the same percent as human boxers die in their fights. The dogs are ususally seperated real often and taken to opposite corners and are given a chance to not fight. If the dog is afraid or to tired. He is counted out in the corner and he has to fight no more. That is why most are not hurt badly. Occasionally like in a boxing match a dog is killed. Most matches are on the average fought for no more than a thousand dollars. Most dogfighters feed lots of dogs and in the long run lose money. Yet some make a little money. Some gangbangers and drug dealers do fight for big bucks. The news media would like to tell you otherwise because they only show and tell the stuff that sells news. It takes a lot of mind control to let yourself do these things to the dogs. That is if you have any heart at all. I always dreaded the killing. The process of elimination. I have a theory that most people do about the same amount of cruel things in the walk through life, yet some do more. We do cruel things in wars. How many innocent babies do you think were killed in the war we are in now? Plus how many of the fine young men of our own have we lost? Will the death we created make things better over there for them or will it help our oil situation?. I can swear to you I have not done as many cruilties in my lifetime as the leaders of our country have against mankind in the last 10 years. Yet our country doesn't seem to let it bother them and it is an accepted practice to kill or bully other people in foreign countries if they don't obey us. Who appointed the USA the Sheriff of all mankind. Most humans do cruel things to each other. They do cruel things in business. They do cruel things in the man and woman love game. Divorce is a cruel thing to children and parents as well. It can ruin many a person or a childs mind. The majority of dogfighters come from broken homes. Peta and the lawmen are guilty of cruelty. They hunt down men for dogfighting and don't think one thing about taking them from their wives and children. They don't give it a thought to how cruel it is. They feel they are just enforcing the law. We all have to do so much cruelty whether it is against man or beast. It will be done. I've said this bible verse over and over on this web. Remember a quote from the Bible that Christ said when some folks were going to stone the lady for her bad deeds. 'Let those without fault throw the first stone'. God has forgiven me for my past life and the cruelties I've done. I hope God has forgiven you for all the cruel things you have done as you walked through life. I hope the people of this world will forgive me also. If not that is their problem in Gods eyes..

Years ago Frank Carver and myself went down to Enid dogpound one saturday morning around 40 years ago. We were going to ask what the dogpound man did with the collars off unclaimed dogs. We went into the lobby and no one was around. There was a door with a small window going into the area where the animals were kept. We heard a bunch of noise coming from that area. We saw a man with a rake swinging it wildly at cats. The room was full of cats and the man was killing them with the rake. We watched in disbelief for a while till he saw us out of the corner of his eye. He stopped in fear of being exposed and begin to explain. He said he opened the cat cage to rake it out which housed around ten cats in one of the cats had jumped in his face and stuck to him with his claws while he was raking out the poop. He had lost his temper and started hitting them killing them on by one. During his fit he was throwing. He had killed several of the cats. There were five or six laying dead cats on the floor. He had also knocked the overhead light fixture down that was only hanging by one wire during his release of anger. He ask us not to tell anyone about this and said he had never lost his head like that before. We told him what we were after and he gave us some dog collars while we were there and made a deal to get all his old dog collars when he put unclaimed dogs down that had collars and no tags. He also supplied me with cats for training dogs back in the early days. Needless to say we kept his secret for over 40 years. 

Swig

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This is the famous fighting dog Swig , That Mayfield wins with. Donald Eugene Mayfield was born in October 27,1937 and died July 15, 2006.  Once upon a time I went to Bobby Smith's Place. He took me out to where Marty Reed and Rick Haliburton had been killed at the chicken fights right outside Dallas. They had the tape bordering the investigation sight. They had paint around where the bodies had laid with blood all over the ground. The lawmen said one had run from the killers and one had run at the killers and both had died quckly at close range. Rick and Marty were top dogfighters of the the 70's. They had some fantastic dogs and a future ahead of them that got altered. I got A real funny feeling deep in my stomach looking at that mess. No one ever found who did this thing. I went to the dog fights shortly after this incident and set down by a fellow I knew. He said if he were me he'd move. I said why. He said because some people were accusing him of doing this crime and were there with guns to kill him. He didn't have to tell me that twice. I said, I'm out of here. I got up and moved. Nothing happened at that fight. I guess it was all talk and no one intended to do anything like they said. Sometimes people accuse people of things without proof and say they are going to do something about it but never do. There were stories going around of various crimes Marty and Rick committed that could have gotten them killed but the stories were never proven. I'll always remember these two guys and feel for their families.

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This is strictly history so please do not fight dogs unless you like jail. The Famous Maurice Carver. Dogfighter, dogbreeder, Pimp, borderguard and anything else he decided to be. Plus his 'Wino' dog. Maurice was smart in lots of ways. That statement he made saying you can turn a pitbull into a german shepherd in three generations is very true. Simply breed a pitbull to a german shepherd then take the offspring and breed it to a german shepherd. Then take this offspring and breed back to a german shepherd. For what is worth you have a german shepherd. I think he made this statement to teach you that a pitbull bred to an untested pitbull. Then breed that off spring back to an untested pitbull and then repeat it one more time by breeding that offspring to an untested pitbull. Then for what it is worth you do not have a pitbull. Because they were bred to fight and you bred them exactly the opposite. Therefore you have created a new breed. You have erased those genetics that are so important in establishing the breed. If you breed for weight pulling and ignore the fighting gene you do not have a pitbull. If you breed for conformation and ignore the fighting gene you do not have a pitbull. If you breed them to hoghunt and ignore the fighting gene you do not have a pitbull. That is an opinion that Maurice Carver and myself can agree on. Years ago we had some matches at my folks farm. I wrote Pete Sparks magazine and turned in the fights. I said we had a bunch of Okies here ,no drunks ,no druggies and no pimps. Just a bunch of guys having fun fighting some dogs. Maurice told a friend of mine someone is going to kill that big mouth Okie for saying that crap. Well Mr. Maurice, it hasn't happened yet and if it does, your not here to see it happen. Maurice was one of the best pitdog breeders since the beginning of pitdogs in America but he wasn't my kind of people. I'm sorry if this hurts anyones feelings. You simply found something in him to like, I'm sorry but I just couldn't make myself like him.

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This is the famous dogfighter,dogbreeder and all around good man, the late Bert Clouse. His real name is William D. Clouse. His wife's name is Geraldine Patricia. Bert was born March 11,1917 in Woodward, Iowa. He died august 1982.  I believe his final home was in or around Kansas city , Missouri. I liked Bert clouse. I had a friend named Gary Emmert from Senica,Missouri who didn't like Bert real well and that is not my problem. I like anyone who likes me. Bert had an artificial leg. One time at the fights it got to bothering him where it attached. So he took it off and laid it beside him at pitside. Gary crawled up behind him and got it. He climbed a three and put it up in it. I told him go get it that isn't very nice. He refused. I guess someone else had to go get it for him, Gary didn't. Gary was a real nice guy married to a school teacher. He had been a very straight husband and a good man for years. One evening after work he saw some of his buddies and they got him to stop for a beer. As the story goes he had to many. One mile before you reach his driveway to his home. His childhood girlfriend lived. On his way home for some reason he turned in his old girlfriends driveway. Went up rang the bell she opened the door. He walked right in, went right straight to her bedroom and took off all his clothes and crawled in her bed and passed out. She called his wife and said come get your husband out of my bed. His wife headed over and between the two of them they got him in the car. She took him home and put him to bed. I ask her did you let him get by with that. She indicated that was the last and only time he will get by with anything. I'm not sure if my wife would have let me slide but his did. She has to be a wonderful understanding woman.

Back in the early days a famous pitbull man I knew but didn't associate with if I could help it. Was always on the watch for the easy money in the drug trade. He met a man who had the land and told him he could use it to raise Marijuana on the halves. He planted and raised some of the best looking Marijuana he had ever raised. When it came time to harvest it. The Sheriff in that southern state approached him and took him to jail he told him he would let him go if he would leave town and never look back. So he naturally agreed. He found out later that the Sheriff and the man that first made the deal with him were in business together and had done this many times. They got the crop planted and taken care of for free that way and then they made the profit. If you read This and are law inforcement and are interested in finding out more .It happened years ago and the limitation laws were in place so  there is no more to say.

The famous oldtimer 'Walter Komosinski '
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Walter had many good dogs in the old days.